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Judges should be allowed to keep suspects they consider dangerous in jail before trial, even when those suspects could afford bail. 0.50 Agree Disagree

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If you disagree, this page has a column for you. A study, record or dataset for “Someone arrested for a violent act and released the same day can go after the same victim or witness before the trial ever happens”, which rests on argument alone.

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Reasons to agree

#ArgumentTruthConfLinkImpUniqScore
1Someone arrested for a violent act and released the same day can go after the same victim or witness before the trial ever happens.Agree Disagree 0.500.001.000.501.00+0.00
2Bail based on money frees the wealthy and holds the poor, so a judgment about danger is fairer than a judgment about cash.Agree Disagree 0.500.001.000.501.00+0.00
3Public confidence in the courts falls when people see a suspect walk out hours after a serious arrest.Agree Disagree 0.500.001.000.501.00+0.00

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Reasons to disagree

#ArgumentTruthConfLinkImpUniqScore
1A person who has not been convicted is presumed innocent, and jailing that person is punishment before any trial.Agree Disagree 0.500.001.000.501.00-0.00
2Predicting who is dangerous is guesswork, and a judge facing public pressure will err toward holding people who would have caused no harm.Agree Disagree 0.500.001.000.501.00-0.00
3Even a few weeks in jail can cost a person their job, housing, and custody of their children, so detention harms whole families whether or not the charge holds up.Agree Disagree 0.500.001.000.501.00-0.00

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Weight for 0.00 · weight against 0.00 · net +0.00

Each reason is a claim with its own page. Score = sign x (2 x Truth - 1) x Conf x Link x Imp x Uniq, and every column is here so the row can be multiplied out and checked. A reason argued false scores negative and counts against the side it is filed on; a reason nobody has argued yet scores exactly 0, and so does one whose own page has no work behind it.

What Would Change the AnswerTruth scores →

#InputIts truthConfIf falseIf trueMoveIf settledWhat it does here
1Someone arrested for a violent act and released the same day can go after the same victim or witness before the trial ever happens. Claim0.500%0.500.500.000.17worth settling
2Bail based on money frees the wealthy and holds the poor, so a judgment about danger is fairer than a judgment about cash. Claim0.500%0.500.500.000.17worth settling
3Public confidence in the courts falls when people see a suspect walk out hours after a serious arrest. Claim0.500%0.500.500.000.17worth settling
4A person who has not been convicted is presumed innocent, and jailing that person is punishment before any trial. Claim0.500%0.500.500.000.17worth settling
5Predicting who is dangerous is guesswork, and a judge facing public pressure will err toward holding people who would have caused no harm. Claim0.500%0.500.500.000.17worth settling
6Even a few weeks in jail can cost a person their job, housing, and custody of their children, so detention harms whole families whether or not the charge holds up. Claim0.500%0.500.500.000.17worth settling

Every claim beneath this page held at false and then at true, one at a time, with the whole graph recomputed each time. "If false" and "if true" are where this page’s truth score lands; "Move" is how far apart they are. "If settled" is that same distance with the input’s confidence held at 1, which is what it would be worth once the work behind it is finished, so the gap between Move and If settled is the value of doing that work. This is one input at a time and finds single points of failure; it does not test several inputs moving together, which is how correlated assumptions actually fail.

Related Beliefs

  1. Long prison sentences generally do little to reduce crime compared with raising the odds of being caught. 0.50
  2. Judges should be allowed to keep suspects they consider dangerous in jail before trial, even when those suspects could afford bail. (this page)

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Not filled in yet

Evidence Ledgerno findings cited yet
Falsifiability Testnothing named that would strengthen or weaken this belief if it turned up
Testable Predictionsnothing stated that we should observe if this belief is true or false
Objective Criteriano yardstick both sides would accept in advance has been proposed
What Acting On This Would Cost and Gainno costs or benefits priced yet
Logical Anatomythe claim has not been split into its component parts
Interests, Not Positionsnobody has mapped who wants what, or why
Media Resourcesno books, studies or films weighed
Legal Frameworkno laws or rulings cited
General to Specificnot linked to broader or narrower beliefs

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Parts of the template nobody has filled in here. They are named rather than shown, because an empty table is not a finding, and each one is a reason the confidence above is not higher. A part that takes rows has a form for its first one.

What this page needs right now

#The gapWhere it goesWho is best placed to fill it
1A study, record or dataset for “Someone arrested for a violent act and released the same day can go after the same victim or witness before the trial ever happens”, which rests on argument aloneEvidence Ledgeranyone with the source
2A measurement both sides would accept in advance, with the reading each side predictsObjective Criteriaanyone who can name a yardstick the other side would sign

Named gaps, read off the tables above, so a newcomer can see exactly where a contribution goes. None of them requires agreeing with the page, and each one links to the form it goes in.

What the numbers are made of

Share on the agree side
no scored weight either way
Confidence
32%. Weakest parts: scrutiny 0% · grounding 0%
Depended on
ReasonRank 0.0033, 42 of 2173
Strongest reason for
Someone arrested for a violent act and released the same day can go after the same victim or witness before the trial ever happens. +0.00
Strongest reason against
A person who has not been convicted is presumed innocent, and jailing that person is punishment before any trial. -0.00
What would move this most
Settling Someone arrested for a violent act and released the same day can go a…: 0.50 if false, 0.50 if true
Coverage
Of 6 scored rows, 6 have no linkage page, 6 have no importance page, 6 have no uniqueness page. This page reads 6 other pages. 6 of them are one-sided or empty: Someone arrested for a violent act and released the same day can go after the same victim or witness before the trial ever happens.; Bail based on money frees the wealthy and holds the poor, so a judgment about danger is fairer than a judgment about cash.; Public confidence in the courts falls when people see a suspect walk out hours after a serious arrest.; A person who has not been convicted is presumed innocent, and jailing that person is punishment before any trial.; Predicting who is dangerous is guesswork, and a judge facing public pressure will err toward holding people who would have caused no harm.; Even a few weeks in jail can cost a person their job, housing, and custody of their children, so detention harms whole families whether or not the charge holds up..
Bottom line
The disagreement turns on whether a judge's guess about future danger can justify locking up someone not yet convicted.

Structural Checks

FindingHow seriousWhat it means
Nothing stated would show it falsea noteNo testable prediction is listed, so as written there is no observation that would count against this belief.

Faults the shape of the argument can show without reading a word of it: a claim used to support itself, a conclusion listed among its own premises, the same page counted twice. None of these changes a score. The wiki also specifies pattern-matching the prose for ten named fallacies; that is deliberately not done here, because a matcher looking for “attacking the person rather than the argument” would fire on the central legitimate argument on this whole site, and a score moved by a regular expression has no page to appeal to.

Scoring EngineTruth scores →

QuantityValueHow
Argument score+0.00argument rows: weight for minus weight against
Evidence score+0.00evidence rows: weight for minus weight against
Prediction contribution+0.00prediction rows, same signed formula as every other row
Belief score+0.00the three lines above added together
Positive total0.00every row whose signed contribution came out positive, from either side
Negative total0.00every row whose signed contribution came out negative, as a magnitude
Starting point0.50where this claim starts before any of its own rows count: Nothing observed: no source type recorded, so this claim starts at a coin flip
Weight of the starting point1.00k x a bounded reward for independent replication, k = 1, capped at 2.0 x k
Truth score, argued0.50(positive + weight x starting point) / (positive + negative + weight)
Truth score0.50argued truth, capped by the weakest load-bearing component that has its own page
ReasonRank0.0033how much of the site depends on this page: rank 42 of 2173. The share of a walk that starts at the 162 beliefs and steps to the pages they read, with a 0.85 chance of stepping on each time
Work value0.0023ReasonRank x (1 - confidence): how much settling this page would be worth to everything above it
Completenessyesat least one scored reason on each side (an importance page: at least one interest; an interest page: both readings filled)

Cite this page Judges should be allowed to keep suspects they consider dangerous in jail before trial, even when those suspects could afford bail. Idea Stock Exchange, belief page judges-allowed-keep-suspects, truth 0.50, confidence 32%, revision 42c8344 of 2026-10-04. The revision is what makes this quotable: these numbers move as the argument is worked on, and rebuilding that revision reproduces them exactly.

Every number on this page as data: judges-allowed-keep-suspects.json. Constants: K = 1 · UNARG = 0.5 · DEFLINK = 1 · DEFIMP = 0.5 · DEFUNIQ = 1. A reason placed under a conclusion is presumed relevant until a linkage page says otherwise; the burden is on the challenger. The neutral start for importance, the wiki's own rule.

Every value here is computed from the tables above at build time. Nothing is typed.